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Grammar Schools

by robertusrex @ Sunday, Oct. 14, 2007 - 05:57:25 pm

So, should they exist? It's a topic of little deabate in British politics at the moment. It's a political minefield. As your schooling affects the rest of your life, it is understandable that politicians don't want to make the wrong decision.
Let me get straight to the point. Your viewpoint on this subject varies according to your own education. If you went to a grammar school then you are in favour of them. If you went to a comprehensive, when perhaps, you should have gone to a grammar school, then you are against them. Because you are only 11 when you chose your school you are normally not fully mature enough to make your own decision. You greatly rely on your parents. If your parents have one view on a subject so greatly influencing your life at that point, then you will pick it up too.
So, what do I believe? I believe they are a good thing. And guess what, I go to one. They offer those of above average intelligence a chance to excel. The opportunity that they need to get the best out of themselves. They attract the best teachers, have the longest histories and get, for the most part, the best exam results. I don't think that the 11+ works however. People can be easily tutored through. If you are ill on the day of an exam then that could mean the whole of your life is completely different. I don't agree with exams. I also don't agree with private schools. Why should people be educated differently, just because they had rich parents. Why should they then go on to disagree with grammar schools? 'I had a brilliant education, but if you don't have money then you can't either, regardless of your ability.' It just doesn't make sense. It feels almost hypocritical and highly selfish.
So, I've now used that word three times, what do I believe should become of the education system. I think that areas that have grammar schools should get no more, and those that don't have them, should get them. This way everyone has equal opportunities. They should not rely on one test, but on a few. And on teacher assessments, etc. Some for of National Apptitude Tests or something. You can also use these for applications to NAGTY. The system for this doesn't make sense at the moment. The top 5% of one school could all be in the top 10% in the country. But in another school they might only be in the top 25%. You shouldn't have the cream of the crop of each school. But the cream of the crop of the whole country. Surely that makes more sense!
I know this is a ramble, and I apologise for it, but I want to get over two key points. Grammar schools are good. The system for NAGTY applications is not.


 
 

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KarenFKarenF [Member]
http://www.lordbothwell.co.uk
2007-10-15 @ 14:08

I really like that idea - that you agree with grammar schools or not according to where you were educated. I'd not thought of that before, but it is so true!

So I am comprehensive school educated and guess what? I don't agree with grammar schools! I'm not sure I agree that you are too young to decide at 11 what you want to do. I chose not to got to grammar school (well, Girl's High School where I was) because I wanted to be with my friends. I knew this was a big disappointment to my parents and my teachers, but I put my happiness firts, and I'm glad I did.

I finished school with three grade A 'A' levels (in a time when only 5% of those taking them got As, so that dates me!). I believe that it only makes sense that if you pick the cleverest children, your school will get the best exam results. I think it is better for society as a whole and for children in general if the academically brightest are spread around schools.

That said, I believe in streaming within comprehensives. Results plummeted in comprehensives when streaming was abandoned in the late 1970s. I believe it is back in at least some lessons nowadays, and the reason I think it is necessary is so that in mixed ability schools, the slower children don't hold back the brighter ones, and the teachers don't concentrate on the brightest children and disregard the others, leading them to become completely disillusioned with education.

The great advantage of streaming is that pupils can move between streams: there's no way that a one-off exam can decide their futures forever.

robertusrexrobertusrex [Member]
2007-10-19 @ 17:27

I think streaming is a good idea. If it is used effectively and across the curriculum. The problem is when it disheartens weaker candidates. It might ablso fail those candidates who have the 'Can't be bothered.' philosophy. They are the sorts of people who could just drop to the bottom of the year and sit there.
I would personally be against someone choosing school based on where their friends are going. I didn't and I think I'm glad I didn't. The one problem with grammar schools is that most aren't mixed. I don't really know what effect this will have on me yet. I don't really socialise that much outside of school. I have loads of hobbies but don't really do many clubs. This does mean that I'm awkward around girls and find them hard to talk to. This is obviously natural, but I think it is affected even more if you don't socialise with them whilst you are a teenager.

KarenFKarenF [Member]
http://www.lordbothwell.co.uk
2007-10-25 @ 13:43

I think if someone can't be bothered then there's not a lot you can do to help them. Streaming is about the best you can do, because if you are being constantly evaluated, there is always a point to working.

I think school should be fun, and that's why I'm glad I went with my friends. The single sex thing is a real problem, I think. I was really shy when I was younger, but at least with a mixed school you have boys around and you can have a laugh with them.

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